02-04-2010, 05:56 AM
..."sometimes"? 2002 GMC 2500 HD 6.6 liter Diesel w/ Allison Transmission sometimes will only engage in 2nd or 3rd gear (can remember which it said) but most of the time its normal. service engine soon light is on. It shifts through the gears great like there is no problems when it goes into Drive. it also shifts normal when it is in 2nd or 3rd when it doesn't engage in the Drive position. Could this be a "speed sensor" problem?
02-04-2010, 09:11 AM
Here is the bulletin: from GM
#02-07-30-011C: Slow or No Engagement of Automatic Transmission, No Start, Blank PRNDL Display, Flashing PRNDL, DTC P0708, P0872, P0847, P0875, P1711, P1713 or U1000 Set (Diagnose Condition, Repair) - (Jun 21, 2004)
Subject: Slow or No Engagement of Automatic Transmission, No Start, Blank PRNDL Display, Flashing PRNDL, DTC P0708, P0872, P0847, P0875, P1711, P1713 or U1000 Set (Diagnose Condition, Repair According to Procedure)
Models: 2001-2004 Chevrolet Silverado
2001-2004 GMC Sierra
with Allisonฎ LCT1000 Automatic Transmission (RPO M74) and
6.6L DuramaxTM Diesel Engine (RPO LB7) or 8.1L Gas Engine (RPO L18)
This bulletin is being revised to add model years and additional model information and add graphics. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 02-07-30-011B (Section 07 -- Transmission/Transaxle)
Some customers may comment on one or more of the following conditions.
The PRNDL display is flashing.
The engine will not start.
The "Service Engine Soon" Indicator lamp is illuminated.
The transmission does not shift properly.
The vehicle will not move, transmission will not engage.
Moisture contamination within the Park Neutral Position (PNP) Switch may cause this condition. This is sometimes referred to as the Neutral Start Back-up (NSBU) Switch. On a left turn, water spray from the left front tire is directed directly at this switch. Proper installation of the "Front Shield" and "Rear Shield" are essential for proper repairs.
This bulletin ONLY applies to vehicles equipped with a two connector PNP switch
A complete and through diagnosis must be performed by a qualified electrical technician to determine the cause and avoid needless replacement of good components.
Important: The Transmission Control Module (TCM) and or the Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM) should NOT be replaced unless properly diagnosed. They are probably not the cause of the concern. It is often assumed the module is the cause of the concern when, in fact, it is another component or the wiring between the components that causes the concern.
Important: Remember, everything starts with a properly operating Neutral Start Back Up (NSBU) switch. The NSBU switch has been incorporated into what is now called the Park Neutral Position (PNP) switch. If the PNP switch does not provide the proper voltage signal to the module indicating the transmission is in either Park or Neutral, the module will not allow the starter operation. After the engine is started, and the shift lever is moved to either Reverse or one of the drive positions, the range selected portion of the PNP switch portion provides a voltage input to the module as to what range the driver has manually selected for transmission operation. The module then controls pressures, shift points and other transmission functions based on the voltage input received from the range portion of the PNP switch.
The technician may find one or more of the following conditions. The list of these conditions does not imply any type of frequency or order. They are random events and may occur in any order.
DTC P0708, Neutral start/backup (PNP or NSBU) switch
DTC P0847, Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM)
DTC P0872, Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM)
DTC P0875, Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM)
DTC P1711, Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM)
DTC P1713, Pressure Switch Manifold (PSM)
DTC U1000, Serial Data Communications
Blank PRNDL Display
Flashing PRNDL Display
Slow or No Engagement of Automatic Transmission
Blank PRNDL Display
A blank PRNDL display may indicate a condition with the PNP switch and/or one or more of the four signal circuits from the PNP to the TCM.
Pin A, Circuit 771 (BLK/WHT)
Pin B, Circuit 773 (GRA)
Pin C, Circuit 776 (WHT)
Pin D, Circuit 772 (YEL)
Or, a blank PRNDL display may also occur if an out of line condition exists with the Serial Data Circuit (CKT 2470, yellow wire) from the TCM to Splice Pack 205.
Flashing PRNDL Display
A flashing PRNDL display may be the result of incorrect sensor inputs or transmission abuse protection modes being received by the TCM. The following are some of these conditions:
The transfer case is/was in Neutral.
The transfer case is/was shifted into Neutral when the vehicle is moving.
A decrease of the input turbine speed was not detected when the gear selector was moved into any gear.
A low transmission fluid level.
A misadjusted PNP/NSBU switch.
Turbine input speed or output speed sensor failure.
Failures of the shift solenoids to route the transmission oil to the proper clutch assemblies within the transmission.
Failures of the transmission clutch packs (C1 or C5 for first gear, C3 or C5 for Reverse).
Failure to detect proper line pressures when a gear range is selected, which may be the result of normal maintenance such as a transmission fluid change having been completed, or the transmission pan was removed for a filter replacement or other type service.
Transmission abuse protection modes are encountered when a customer performs one of the following types of maneuvers:
Shifting from Neutral to Drive/Reverse when the engine RPM is greater than 1400 RPM.
Shifting from Drive to Reverse when the throttle position (TPS) is greater than 25%, such as rocking the vehicle when stuck in an attempt to free the vehicle.
When the transmission output speed is greater than 300 RPM from attempted changes in direction such as Reverse to Drive, Drive to Reverse or Neutral to Reverse shifts.
When the TCM encounters any one of the above conditions, the TCM will flash the PRNDL and default the transmission to Neutral. A flashing PRNDL indicates something is/was incorrect. The transmission may need the attention of a qualified service technician.
Disconnect the wiring harness from the PNP switch.
Disconnect the shift linkage/cable from the shift lever at the transmission.
With a wrench keeping the shift lever from rotating, remove the nut from the end of the selector shaft.
Use a file to remove any burrs or raised metal where the selector lever was seated against the shoulder of the selector shaft.
Important: If the old PNP switch will not slide from the selector shaft without the effort, the selector shaft may need to be filed to remove flaring on the end of the selector shaft. This is important, installing the new switch onto a selector shaft that has damage will cause damage to the new PNP switch.
Remove the two bolts that attach the PNP switch and remove the switch by sliding it outward over the selector shaft.
Make sure the selector shaft is in the N (neutral) position (using a wrench on the selector shaft flats, rotate the shaft to its furthest clockwise position and then rotate counterclockwise two detents).
Important: If the new PNP switch will not slide onto the selector shaft easily, the selector shaft may need to be filed to remove flaring on the end of the selector shaft. This is important, installing the new switch onto a selector shaft that has damage will cause damage to the new PNP switch.
Slide the new PNP switch over the selector shaft with the neutral assurance bracket 920 facing outward and maintaining the correct PNP switch orientation to the selector shaft. Install and hand tighten the two PNP switch attaching bolts so that the PNP switch and bracket may be rotated within the adjusting slots with some effort.
While holding the neutral assurance bracket in engagement with the PNP switch, tighten the two bolts that attach the PNP switch to the transmission case.
Tighten the bolts to 27 Nทm (20 lb ft).
Remove and discard the neutral assurance bracket.
Important: Installation of the front shield and rear shields are important. Without proper installation of the shield, a return repair is probable. Follow all directions as listed on the installation instructions sheet included in the Switch kit, P/N 29540479.
Fit the new shield onto the PNP switch so that it fits securely against the switch. Make sure this is done before reinstalling the shift lever.
Reinstall the shift lever. With a wrench keeping the shift lever from rotating, install the nut on the end of the selector shaft.
Tighten the nut to 24 Nทm (18 lb ft).
Connect the wiring harness connectors to the PNP switch.
Attach the selector cable to the lever. Check and adjust if needed.
Go back to step 4 of the Diagnostics and insure the Tech 2 readings match the shift lever positions.
Important: Clear all DTCs before returning the vehicle to the customer.
Return the vehicle to the customer.
Good luck and hope this helps. Keep us all posted on what's going on with your Allison Transmission.
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